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john boehner is leading an attack on the lack of progress. >> there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. it was not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> gregg: almost nowhere. how about that? staff writer for roll call joins us live. the president promised a balanced plan, a balanced approach. he must have said eight thousand times. then he finally puts out his offer, it's a plan that doubled the tax hikes that he campaigned on and it adds about $150 billion more, not less to the deficit in and new spending. to republicans with that kind of equivalent of lucy and the football and they are laying flat on their backs? >> republicans scoffed at this first foray from the white house. they thought was ridiculous. for the white house it was the first attempt, first specific plan we've seen since the election being put out there. it was frankly a wish list. john boehner acknowledges as much in his comments was that the white house would like to see. if we do get a deal before christmas it won't look anything like this. >> gregg: instead of meeting w
john boehner is leading an attack on the lack of progress. >> there is a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. it was not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> gregg: almost nowhere. how about that? staff writer for roll call joins us live. the president promised a balanced plan, a balanced approach. he must have said eight thousand times. then he finally puts out his offer, it's a plan that doubled the tax hikes that he campaigned on and it adds about $150 billion...
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i think you're hearing john boehner say look, we've been responsible and guarded. it's the other guy's fault. you're going to hear democrats say, middle class folks, you're being held hostage so that the billionaires can pay lower taxes. >> arthel: that's what i'm talking about because they have to look forward to the 2014 midterm elections and so each person has to go back to their constituents and say look, i fought for you for what you want. it's happening. but i'm saying, what's going toned up winning in the end, because the folks did vote november 6 saying they want to make some sort of agreement happen and they're tired of this gridlock happening there in washington. >> well look, i think you're absolutely right, art. i think that was the message and my only hope is, and i think you probably share it -- is that the political posturing will go on in public, but then at least in private we'll start to make some progress because, you know, at the end of the day, i really don't care what the polls say now about republicans to blame versus democrats to blame. i th
i think you're hearing john boehner say look, we've been responsible and guarded. it's the other guy's fault. you're going to hear democrats say, middle class folks, you're being held hostage so that the billionaires can pay lower taxes. >> arthel: that's what i'm talking about because they have to look forward to the 2014 midterm elections and so each person has to go back to their constituents and say look, i fought for you for what you want. it's happening. but i'm saying, what's going...
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but john boehner can rail against it which will make it easier for john boehner to sell to his conference. i think it's far fetched. i don't think either of these men, president obama or john boehner, want to see this country go off the fiscal cliff. there's obviously too much at stake not only politically but for the lives and welfare of americans. i think that's foremost in their mind, even given all the politics. so thelma and louise, whatever conspiracy theories we see right now, they might be justified because we're at a standoff at least publicly right now as we head into december, alex. >> mike viqueira at the white house, thanks for that. >>> joining me for more front page politics, perry bacon junior and political contributor for the "washington post." perry, the president's plan is pretty ambitious. what is the strategy here? >> the strategy is to move this debate to the left. i mean, a lot of times you saw in these first four years obama would kind of start in the center on a plan and then the republicans could move to the right a little bit. in this plan, obama knows republica
but john boehner can rail against it which will make it easier for john boehner to sell to his conference. i think it's far fetched. i don't think either of these men, president obama or john boehner, want to see this country go off the fiscal cliff. there's obviously too much at stake not only politically but for the lives and welfare of americans. i think that's foremost in their mind, even given all the politics. so thelma and louise, whatever conspiracy theories we see right now, they might...
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. >> but republicans led by house speaker john boehner said the president should quit campaigning and take care of business and some suggest that the president is playing a dangerous game of political brinksmanship. >> i think that the democrats and the president view it to their advantage to run the clock out and dangerously close by the end of the year. if there's a break through, in a short manner, takes a while to get proposals scored by the budget office and legislation drafted. if we were going to act on something until the end of the year, you can't wait until christmas day and hope to pass by new years day. >> reporter: and the latest round of political maneuvering involves pressure from nancy pelosi, democratic leader in the house, to be extend the middle class tax cuts, a bill approved by the u.s. senate. see where that goes. >> jamie: steve with the latest. thank you, kelly has more now. >> kelly: indeed we do. for more on the fiscal cliff stalemate. let's bring in angela mcglowan, and dick, from the south carolina democratic party. look, i've got the questions prepared and
. >> but republicans led by house speaker john boehner said the president should quit campaigning and take care of business and some suggest that the president is playing a dangerous game of political brinksmanship. >> i think that the democrats and the president view it to their advantage to run the clock out and dangerously close by the end of the year. if there's a break through, in a short manner, takes a while to get proposals scored by the budget office and legislation...
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. >> house speaker john boehner said friday the white house proposal which begins basically with having $1.6 trillion tax increase among other things was essentially a nonstarter. take a listen. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. you've watched me over the last three weeks. i have been guarded in what i have to say because i don't want to make it harder for me or the president or members of both parties to be able to find common ground. >> all right, so common ground. the white house is focused on having high earners, the rich, pay higher taxes and get fewing deductions. if that happens, the middle class comes out ahead. so why is there so much push-back by the republicans? >> the proposal the white house came up with is one that they know the republicans aren't going to sign on the dotted line and go along with it. what the president is trying to do is pull the debate more his way. he's learned from the past if you start negotiating with your final position, you don't get a very good deal here. so neither side is really offering
. >> house speaker john boehner said friday the white house proposal which begins basically with having $1.6 trillion tax increase among other things was essentially a nonstarter. take a listen. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. you've watched me over the last three weeks. i have been guarded in what i have to say because i don't want to make it harder for me or the president or members of both parties to be able to find...